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The Celle Seminars – Page 66

there’s an illness or psychic disorder behind these dreams which perhaps has not yet been discovered by classical medicine. Because, after all, we only use the materialist view of society and of the world as a whole. I mean, we think that the only things that exist are those we can perceive.
(G.V.): If you are finished, I would like to ask you to leave the room so that I can speak to your daughter alone, (husband exits) I would like to ask you the same questions I asked your father. (D.): I could comment on my father’s interpretation of things, but I don’t know whether that is expected of me.
(G.V.): You can do that if you’d like.
(D.): My father said a great deal about what happens just before an acute phase of my mother’s illness. However, I don’t think he’s given you an answer on how he perceives her behaviour otherwise.(G.V.): How old are you? Are you the youngest?
(D.): We, my sister and I, are the youngest at twenty. We’re twins. First, I would like to tell you how I perceive my mother: I find her to be a very open person with a lot of empathy for others. She has a great capacity for listening to others. My mother also has a highly developed sense of responsibility towards her hus-band, her children, her household, and others. For example, the question of divorce arose at one stage.
(G.V.): What year was that?
(D.): Probably five years ago, I can’t say exactly. My mother is not the type who tries to avoid problems. We usually try and solve them in dialogue. The attitude in our family is that everybody must have his or her say. My mother wants to understand his anxieties. She understands that he has a problem with jealousy, and she thinks it might have a lot to do with his own childhood. But I think my father is quite the opposite of her; he’s an introverted person, and he is not really willing to discuss his problems openly with other people. Both my parents have undergone therapy. They’ve undergone psychotherapy and discussion therapy.
(G.V.): Do you perceive your mother’s behaviour to be generally normal or abnormal most of the time?