they still perceive that things are not okay. The result is that they feel responsible and begin to ask themselves, “What have I done wrong?” We, the children, started developing physical symptoms. My mother was supposed to remain isolated because my father was so jealous. Gradually a basis of confidence devel-oped, and my mother was able to talk openly to us about her personal experiences. Slowly, we began to grasp the situation and we were then able to understand certain problems.
(F.P.): Tell Mr. Vithoulkas how your view of my illness differs from your father’s.
(D.): I can only do so at the risk of repeating my mother’s opinion. My father has dealt extensively with literature on this problem, including occult literature. We have often discussed this.
(H.): Perhaps I should say two things in this context: I once read a book which made me ask myself whether it is possible that, in certain variants of mental or spiritual variations from normality, there isn’t, at some stage, an extraneous influencing factor. Could it be that in some cases the circumstances in an acute phase can actually result in a ‘switching off’ of the patient’s conscious level of perception? Consider things like Kirlian’s photographs. Perhaps in such an acute phase, the protective aura becomes unstable, in fact, the aura may be so weakened that spiritual entities which need to manifest themselves are then able to come forth.
(F.P.): It is very interesting that you explained it in this way, because precisely herein lies my difficulty with you.
(G.V.): What is the difficulty exactly?
(F.P.): My view of my illness is that the fears, which developed in my childhood and which my husband has instilled in me in one way or the other, come out in the acute phases of my illness. This is where we disagree; this is essentially the root of the argument between us. It is really a question of labeling: what my husband means when we talk about demons or when he mentions God and what I mean. His interpretation of what he’s read, as I understand it, is that the demons are being driven out when I have a psychotic episode.